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Published on Mar 17, 2014

07:10 "Make out All the Time"... Grossly hypocritical and ironic,
then at 19:33 he says "When it comes to peoples sexuality I don't want to use a public forum". He speaks fast, twists, turns and sidesteps in every instance, continually being in hypocrisy and irony of himself. Sorry, but his words can only be baseless, and have always been, for he is impulsive, can not see his own irony or hypocrisy and never will be able to. He is the kind of guy who will say... "did I say that?" and deny his own logic.... You need to rewind and re-listen, what he says is 'ok' in one breath not in the other. He will continually adjust to say rubbish with mixed in with snippets out of context from the bible. All the while asking people to believe in god, but really to believe in him as their "pathway" to god. During the service he will command, with lots of instructions, no less, for people to come up to him, as an expression of their faith to god... scary stuff when you think about it... he is completely mad... This is what is meant by religious power tripping. He is a mess, make no mistake. Carl Lentz is a spoofy salesman selling a hip culture of purporting to be christianity, but really seeking to be a sub culture unto itself.

Look again, hill$ong church profits big time on a mix of showmanship, artz and the needy or vulnerable. The pastors are millionaires, I guess they got gifts.... yeah right.... http://mumbrella.com.au/hillsong-aust...

Lentz demonstrates he is high on the exposure, he LOVES it, it suits his egocentric male / chauvinist needs, he is on a power trip with thousands to encourage him every day, just like a rock star - using Church and the vehicle of the 'message' as a way to feed his desire, with swift salesman 'slick and style' to gain - in many ways - from the vulnerable and needy 14:14 "our church only works for people with scars..." His ego and confidence is nothing less than that of a showman, perfect for the rock-concert style brand of service where he is a - or 'the' - 'star of the show' in every sense of the word, just listen to the applause and rapturous cheers, GIVE ME A BREAK, he is a world CELEBRITY pastor, he could not cope with being unknown, he is a narcissist, he LOVES the stage and eyes on him, the rush and adrenaline is high, and this is addictive, always has been, he is addicted to the rush, like MANY before performers before him. POOR GUY.

At 09:45 he talks about "getting out of the way", EVEN THOUGH this interview and all the lime light is on HIM, he talks about not being 'cool' and all that stuff, and not making church the barrier to getting close to god, despite his service and method being anything less than an emotive and mental deluge, a fast talking, highly emotive, intense preacher of 'fire-n-brimstone',(0:42) NO LESS, and there is not a second in the service where they are not full-on or manipulating your emotions or thoughts in the 'coolest' possible way, drawing on cool phrases, cool technology and trends (from twitter to smoke machines) which is how it appeals to youth mainstream by being 'cool' - http://youtu.be/PuU-MlywCs8?t=6m04s - and seeking to be culturally and artistically 'in' . WAKE UP - they are in-fact very adept and dedicated into youth culture and using all the modern, cool elements of technology, method or mainstream music and artz, they are themselves misleading themselves, if they mean well, then they are the worst kind. When folk try it out and find nothing, they will be doubly disappointed.. This is a theatrical event that PURPORTS to be holy. REALLY Sad, lots of the founding pastors of hillsong were caught up in sexual scandal, Jeff Bullock (infidelity), Pat Mesiti ( http://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2012/1... ), Brian Huston's own father (a successful pastor who committed sexual offences against teenage boys, http://youtu.be/PuU-MlywCs8?t=7m15s a pastor who was excommunicated from the church, and that is the surface, ( http://youtu.be/PuU-MlywCs8?t=10m32s. ) And then there are the ones who years on are on the streets, burnt out, doing it tough and no closer to any enlightenment, http://youtu.be/PuU-MlywCs8?t=13m33s
'Pastor' Lentz of the HILLSONG brand, is a male chauvinist on a religious power high, who would dictate the world given a chance, just like all in history who have used religion as the bases of an ideal that resulted in war. http://youtu.be/PuU-MlywCs8?t=12m43s. .. Sorry, it had to be shown, to all of you who love the music and hype, go see a band in a gig, learn to play an instrument, join a musical society or club and you will find EXACTLY the same opportunity.

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by Apprising Ministries


EXCERPT: I first mentioned “hipster” pastor Carl Lentz aka the “Apostle of Cool,” here at Apprising Ministries in my article NYC Hillsong Hipster Pastor Carl Lentz , which was even quoted the other day by Alex Kocman of Charisma magazine in his report Hillsong NYC’s ‘Apostle of Cool’ Carl Lentz

Later I’d write a follow up on Lentz, co-founder and lead pastor of Hillsong NYC (HNYC),

Then in my second article I offered why he appears to be doing so. It’s a common tact with these evangelical megachurches to employ a bait and switch technique to supposedly bring people to Christ. The vision-casting prophet-pastor promises in his sermon something people in society are looking for, money, self-esteem, a better sex life, etc.1

After luring people into his mega social club with said bait, the hipster pastor then switches and includes a little bit of a pitch to become a “Christ-follower.” The implication being, it’s cool to follow Jesus now as you can still have the things the world desires because He has a wonderful plan for your life; and then afterward, He’ll will take you to heaven.

Of course, someone like Carl Lentz would deny this is what he and Evangelical Ecumenical Magisterium member Judah Smith are doing. However, the evidence quite clearly shows that this is exactly what they’re doing. I say, a modern fulfillment of this:

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

Now, you might ask, “Wait a minute, what’s Judah Smith got to go with this?” I’ll show you in a moment; but first, these kinds of megachurch playpens prove very adept at attracting celebrities like Justin Bieber, hence the reason these Seeker Driven megachurches are also known as the “attractional” model. One can be of the world, and yet still, well, be in the world.

You see, what’s missing in the SD/attractional model is the Gospel of repentance and forgiveness of sins in Jesus’ Name.2 So, as a result, celebrity “Christ-followers” fit right in. Ok, now to Judah Smith; you may recall that I first told you about this Seeker Driven figure a few years ago in Charismatic Quasi-Prosperity Preacher Judah Smith.

Smith, a Hillsong Church favorite,3 is co-Lead Pastor at a charismaniac megachurch called The City Church of Seattle along with his wife, pastrix Chelsea Smith.4 Of course, he comes complete with the blessing of EEM member and General of the Seeker Driven Army Rick Warren:


Then a couple of years ago I showed you Judah Smith With Justin Bieber’s Swag Coach Ryan Good and a quasi-Christian video Smith did with Good. This brings us to the BreatheCast.com report Justin Bieber Baptisted by Pastor Carl Lentz After Usher, Scooter Braun Defend Singer for ‘Racist Video’ Controversy where we’re informed:

Justin Bieber has been baptized by Pastor Carl Lentz in New York City after controversial videos from the singer’s past were recently leaked online.

According to TMZ, Bieber was seen being baptized by the “Apostle of Cool” Pastor, Carl Lentz, in a bathtub after previously studying the Bible with him for an entire week.” (source)

Carey Lodge of Christian Today adds:

While Justin Bieber has become well-known for boozy nights out and getting in trouble with the law, he reportedly spent this weekend rather unusually for a pop star – getting baptised.

According to gossip website TMZ, the 20-year-old spent the past week studying the Bible with Hillsong NYC pastor Carl Lentz before being baptised in a friend’s bathtub. He apparently chose the unique location after being unable to find a church where the ceremony could be conducted privately.

It follows a week of controversy for the star after two videos surfaced showing Bieber making racist jokes and substituting the lyrics to one of his hit songs with racist slurs.(source)

It’s important to note here that BREATHEcast News Reporter William Rameau does inform us:

Two videos were recently leaked online where Bieber made a number of jokes that some are calling racist. The jokes were made in regards to African-Americans and joining the Klu Klux Klan. However, it has emeged that the videos were made a long time ago – the first video was made when he was 14-years-old, and the second when he was 15-years-old. (source)

Which is about how long Justin Bieber’s been talking about being a Christian; so, the baptism would appear to be a bit late.5 Bieber’s apparently been playing at being “Christian” for quite some time.6 As Lodge also brings out:

Despite his bad-boy image, Bieber has spoken about his faith numerous times, and enjoys a close relationship with Lentz, as well as lead pastor of The City Church, Seattle, Judah Smith, who apparently texts the him Bible verses each day.

The three have shared pictures of their time together on social media, and Bieber even posted a video of one of Lentz’s sermons on his Twitter account, where he has over 52 million followers. (source)

Well, here’s the thing; if you’re going to be a pastor to the stars like Smith and Lentz, then the celebs you teach are the fruit of your labor. The notoriety cuts both ways guys. Just about a year ago in Christ.Culture.News we saw Justin Bieber Discusses His ‘Savior Jesus’ With Hillsong NYC Pastor Carl Lentz where we found:

Justin Bieber shared a photo of him hanging out recently and talking about Christianity with Hillsong NYC pastor Carl Lentz and his buddy Ryan Good…

Pastor Carl Lentz shared the photo himself, writing:

“Sure do love my friends @ryangood24 @justinbieber ..discussing things such as: sometimes it SEEMS like although all us ‘Christians’ live in GLASS HOUSES, people (especially social media “Christians”) still develop an uncanny propensity to be olympian level expert rock throwers and criticism/foolish judgement is far to prevalent..the TRUTH is that Jesus outweighs em all.. there is so much GOOD, so many GRACE FILLED/KIND/HUMBLE people in this world that our job is to simply ‘tune out the noise’ from the world and ‘turn up the volume’ on the voice from HEAVEN..life is GOOD when you can hear from GOD! #occupyallstreets #churchinthewild #leavemymanJBaloneandcleanupyourownife #shouldkeepyousobusy #loveyoueitherway #twerk?”

Lentz is apparently defending Bieber from online criticism, as he was sure to add some key hashtags, like “Leave my man JB alone and clean up your own (l)ife.” Although he “love you either way” and…something about “twerk(ing)” for whatever reason. (source)

Frankly, it looks to me like charismaniac cult of celebrity pastors Carl Lentz and Judah Smith are looking for some of the same attention as the celebrities they hang with. Well gentlemen, now you’ve got it.

LINK TO ARTICLE: http://apprising.org/2014/06/10/pastor-carl-lentz-baptizes-justin-b...

Hillsong NYC, a church that resembles a club, draws thousands of young New Yorkers
Manhattan branch of the global Hillsong evangelical church draws believers with DJs, big-screen TVs and tattooed pastor Carl Lentz
BY Molly Friedman
Monday, July 28, 2014


EXCERPT: It’s a Sunday night on W. 34th St. Young women wearing denim cutoffs and straw fedoras join a line with guys in tank tops and Converse. There is idle chatter about movies and other pop culture topics. There’s also word of an after-party. Meanwhile, other fashionable youngsters cut the line — guests of the rock star inside.

Another line outside a club? No, a church.

Hillsong NYC is attracting more than 6,000 young, attractive urbanites every Sunday with a simple approach to religion: A hot pastor covered in tattoos gets onstage to a rock introduction to preach an anti-Kennedy gospel: Ask not what you can do for God — ask what God can do for you.

“We don’t use the word ‘religion,’ because it’s hard to get people excited about religion,” says Carl Lentz, 35, the pastor of this megachurch for millennials. “Religion is dead. I don’t know anything about religion, I couldn’t help you. Religion has no power. But a relationship with God is a superpower.”

LINK TO READ REST OF ARTICLE: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/hillsong-nyc-draws-thousands-...

UNBELIEVABLE QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: "Young people are far more open and excited to share fellowship with one another when they don’t feel as if there is a Bible being smacked upon their heads."

From Jesus to Bieber, NY Pastor Makes Church Trendy

MY COMMENT: Jesus isn't trendy. What Lentz is preaching, isn't even half the gospel. His club may be enjoyable, and there may be some who will find Jesus there; but he misrepresents the whole gospel.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

R. Albert Mohler Jr. Calls Hillsong a Prosperity Movement that Waters Down the Gospel
By Vincent Funaro , Christian Post Reporter
September 10, 2014

PIC FROM ARTICLE: Pastor Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, poses for a photo with Hillsong NYC Pastor Carl Lentz on Wednesday, April 9, 2014, at Yankee Stadium in the NYC borough of the Bronx.

EXCERPT: R. Albert Mohler Jr., the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary recently spoke with the New York Times about Hillsong Church and criticized the movement for watering down the Gospel message.

"It's a prosperity movement for the millennials, in which the polyester and middle-class associations of Oral Roberts have given way to ripped jeans and sophisticated rock music," said Mohler Jr. to NY Times. "What has made Hillsong distinctive is a minimization of the actual content of the Gospel, and a far more diffuse presentation of spirituality."

The publication also spoke to Brian Houston, the Sydney-based senior pastor of Hillsong about the choice to spread the church into major cities.

LINK TO ARTICLE: http://www.christianpost.com/news/r-albert-mohler-jr-calls-hillsong...

Hillsong United Church Steeped In Illuminati And New Age Symbolism
NTEB News Desk | March 29, 2014

EXCERPT: Exposing the Devil’s counterfeit church

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Ephesian 5:11

Everywhere you look today in the entertainment industry, you see signs and symbols belong to the New Age movement and the Illuminati. Some of the most-influential and best-selling recording artists like Jay-Z, Beyonce, Lady Gaga and others promote a constant push of Illuminati and Satanic symbols. The 2014 Grammy Awards Show displayed open witchcraft.

Now this is becoming apparent within the walls of the professing Christian church as well.

Hillsong United Church, located in Australia, cranks out a rock-n-roll show on a par with anything the world has other offer. They feature Heavy Metal crunching guitar riffs, fantastic explosions of light and sound like you were at a Lady Gaga concert, and proudly displayed center stage is the Illuminati pyramid that Beyonce is so fond of. When asked about the use of this major Illuminati symbol, they said that they were “inspired by Mount Zion” in the bible. Yeah, right.

PIC FROM ARTICLE: Today’s Christians are so spiritually dead, that they can be shown this unholy, demonic mess and never see anything wrong with it.

The bible calls us to be separate, not be not like the world but to be like Jesus Christ. Hillsong has millions of fans and follower all over the world, not because they preach the Gospel, but because they offer up Satan’s counterfeit of what the Church of Jesus Christ is supposed to be all about. Look at this video clip of one of their concert “church services”, and you tell me where you see Jesus in any of that unholy mess.

Hillsong Colour Conference London Opening Night 25 April 2013

The doctrine preached at Hillsong is not the doctrine of the bible, and if you are a Christian saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, you should have no part of these workers of darkness.

PIC FROM ARTICLE: The Illuminati pyramid topped off by what looks like a huge snake in a circle, this is what your average Hillsong United “worship service” looks like. Do YOU see Jesus anywhere in here?

Hillsong United is part of the demonic Emergent Church Movement, and it is deadly spiritual poison wrapped in the candy-coated wrapper of the world’s entertainment.

Hillsong United Leader Brian Houston Now Promoting Chrislam
NTEB News Desk | March 25, 201

EXCERPT: UPDATE MARCH 29/2014: This story caused an impact heard ’round the world, and within 24 hours it forced Hillsong United pastor Brian Houston to issue the standard quickie denial of the things he said in the video clip below. In interest of fairness, click here to read the full context his denial of Chrislam. You can make up your own mind if he is sincere or not, and if he meant what he originally said or not. We take it at his word and believe he meant what he said in the video segment below. The story stands.

One by one, the huge mega-churches with their 5,000+ member congregations are beginning to reveal their true agenda. The Emergent Church, powered by the Rick Warren machine, is a huge promoter of Chrislam, the demonic hybrid of Christianity and Islam. Now Hillsong United in Australia has thrown their hat into the same ring.

Listen to the word of Hillsong United leader Brian Houston:

“How do you view God? In a desert there’s two types of birds: there’s vultures and there’s hummingbirds. One lives off dead carcasses, rotting meat. The other lives off the beautiful, sweet nectar in a particular flower on a particular desert plant. In the same desert, they both find what they’re looking for.

Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God. And of course through history, those views have changed greatly. But lets make sure that we view God through the eyes of Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the beauty of a Saviour, the loving open inclusive arms of a loving God. And that way we’ll lead out of that and you’ll be purposeful about your leadership and you’ll draw people just like the Lord Jesus always does through the power of the Holy Spirit.”

Chrislam is a LIE, and it can damn your soul to Hell if you believe it. The God of the Bible and the god of Islam have nothing in common. One is real, and the other is fake. Obviously, Brian Houston cannot tell the difference.

Anyone who tries to tell you that God and Allah are the same is a liar, and you should run from that false teaching as fast as you can.

LINK TO ARTICLE: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=17743
Australian Idolatry: Evangelical Christians Resurrecting the Music Industry by Chris Price


EXCERPT: Prime Minister Julia Gillard may be an avowed atheist, but if the Australian music-buying public is anything to go by, she's a tad out of step with her electorate. You might say she's not singing from the same hymn sheet. God Is Able, an album of contemporary Christian music released by the stratospherically successful Hillsong mega-church in Sydney, recently debuted at number three in the Australian chart ahead of Beyonce and Lady Gaga, becoming the tenth album of Christian pop to reach the top ten there since 2002. And Hillsong has broken America without so much as breaking a sweat. Last year its youth ministry house band, Hillsong United, went in at number two on the US iTunes album chart, just behind Eminem. If it's true that the music industry is in its death throes, then nobody told Hillsong.

Hillsong Music is the 'resource arm' of Hillsong Church, a Pentecostal ministry in Sydney which began in 1983 with a congregation of forty-five, and which now boasts a membership of 21,000, an annual conference attracting 28,000 faithful attendees, and a growing international footprint with churches in London, Paris, Cape Town, Stockholm and Kiev. In 2009 Hillsong London celebrated ten years of worship in the capital with a service at the O2 London Arena. More than 14,000 people attended.

LINK TO ARTICLE: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christopher-price/hillsong-music-re...

God is able work tape

MY COMMENT: The name of the song is "Our God is Able". Question is what God??? What is his name??? Jesus Christ is never mentioned.
Justin Bieber’s Church Signs With Major Hollywood Agency
by Daniel Nussbaum12 Feb 2015


EXCERPT: Religion has gone Hollywood.

William Morris Endeavor Entertainment signed the Hillsong church Wednesday to its roster of celebrities and talent, the first time a major Hollywood talent agency has signed a house of worship as a client.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, WME will help the megachurch, which boasts celebrity attendees and a social media following in the tens of millions, land film and digital entertainment opportunities. The agency will also reportedly help the church expand its TV viewership from an already impressive 10 million global viewers.

The move appears to be a perfect fit for Hillsong and its glossy celebrity clientele. Justin Bieber “broke down” after attending a sermon at Hillsong’s New York City outpost in September 2013, while his on/off girlfriend Selena Gomez is reportedly a regular at the Los Angeles location. Athletes Kevin Durant and Jeremy Lin and actress Vanessa Hudgens have also attended services.

The church, which has 12 locations across the globe, is known for mixing concerts with its sermons. The church band, Hillsong United, has sold over 16 million albums worldwide with songs like the #1 Billboard Christian Songs hit, “Oceans.”

“We aren’t trying to have this cool trendy packed church,” Hillsong New York pastor Carl Lentz told ABC News in November. “The story is not the clothes people wear. It’s the lives they lead.”

LINK TO ARTICLE: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/02/12/justin-biebers-ch...


Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?......................................
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
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The Message “Bible”— A Breach of Truth: How Eugene Peterson’s The Message Omits Homosexual Sin—and Other Strange Deletions, Additions, and Alterations

The-Message-BibleBy John Lanagan

Can we just say it? Homosexuality is going to be the dividing line between the true church and the rising apostate church. And Eugene Peterson’s The Message is being used by those who want to avoid or deny the truth that homosexuality is a sin.

The Message flat out deletes homosexuality as sin from two key New Testament passages and gives a politically correct spin to a third (1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-11, Romans 1:25-27).

For this reason, The Message and other ungodly imitations of the Bible will be increasingly promoted by those who practice a “form of godliness” (2 Timothy 3:1-5) that includes acceptance of homosexuality.

Preaching and teaching from The Message rather than the Bible also makes it easier for those who are unwilling, afraid, or just too tired to resist the politically correct juggernaut of homosexuality.

I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing. (Hosea 8:12)

Hillsong’s Role
Pastor Carl Lentz oversees Hillsong Church in New York City. Like its parent church in Australia founded by Brian Houston, Hillsong NYC is enormously popular. Celebrities flock there, younger people rave about Hillsong, and secular media give it a free pass.

Such popularity and acceptance would cease if Carl Lentz treated homosexuality like any other sin (i.e., biblically). But Lentz refuses to do so from the pulpit, during interviews, or in any public forum. Among other excuses, he claims he does not deal with homosexual sin publicly because “Jesus rarely dealt with morality or social issues” but with “the deeper things of the heart,” he says.1

During one of his sermons, Lentz used The Message version of 1 Thessalonians 5:14 to assert that Hillsong is biblically obedient in refusing to “make polarizing statements about certain things in our Christian community.”2

According to 1 Thessalonians 5:14 from The Message:

Get along among yourselves, each of you doing your part. Our counsel is that you warn the freeloaders to get a move on. Gently encourage the stragglers, and reach out for the exhausted, pulling them to their feet. Be patient with each person, attentive to individual needs.

Lentz waxed eloquent over one particular phrase from the passage. He repeated, “Be ‘attentive to individual needs.’ That’s interesting. Isn’t that cool? That’s why some churches want us to give blanket answers on huge issues, well, my Bible says be ‘attentive to individual needs.’ So we’re not gonna make polarizing statements about certain things in our Christian community right now. No matter who says what we won’t be pressured into giving blanket statements to individual needs. Never!”3

That sounds kind of heroic, doesn’t it? There is one slight problem: The phrase “attentive to individual needs” is not in any reputable translation of the Bible. It is not in the original Greek. It can only be found in The Message.

In other words, Carl Lentz used a non-existent verse to justify Hillsong’s politically correct silence about homosexual marriage and homosexual sin!

In another sermon, Lentz lamented about biblical illiteracy—and then, ironically, proceeded to teach from The Message. He said:

If you don’t know the Bible, it’s okay. Get to know it. We have a biblically illiterate generation coming up right now where you’re gettin’ second hand information, second hand revelation, second hand stuff that don’t get you through the first hand battle, so make sure you know it for yourself.4

Lentz then told his audience to go to, “James, chapter three. . . . I’m gonna read from The Message.”5 This is further irony because chapter three of James begins by warning that teachers will be more strictly judged.

On more than one occasion, Lentz has assured his audience that The Message is a valid text. Speaking at Judah Smith’s City Church, Lentz stated:

And this morning I’m reading from The Message paraphrase. It’s not a literal translation, but I believe if you check it with all the other translations, it’s right on the money.6

Lentz depends on a phrase not found in genuine translations to justify Hillsong’s politically correct silence about homosexuality.

The Message Versus the Word of God

On a homosexual website, a former evangelical pastor, now living as a homosexual man, uses The Message to assert homosexual relations are God-honoring if performed in love rather than lust.

Tim Evans, author of On Being Gay, relies on The Message versions of 1 Corinthians 6 and Romans 1:25-27 to make his case. He writes:

Reading these renditions and then re-reading the traditional texts without the lens of prejudice, the point is as plain as day. Lust and abuse is wrong and destructive, but love—now that is a different matter.7

Let’s compare The Message passages with those from a genuine Bible.

First, here is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB):

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Now, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 from The Message:

Don’t you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who do not care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don’t qualify as citizens in God’s kingdom. A number of you know what I’m talking about, for not so long ago you were on that list. Since then, you’ve been cleaned up and given a fresh start by Jesus, our Master, our Messiah, and by our God present in us, the Spirit.”

How many people even realize what Peterson has done here? Peterson’s version claims those who “use and abuse the earth” will not be saved! Homosexuality has been removed, and nature/earth reverence has been added! Homosexuality out, earth reverence in! Yet, the Lord tells us:

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. (Deuteronomy 4:2)

The second passage used by the author of On Being Gay is Romans 1:25-27. Here is the passage from the KJV:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men, working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Compare that with Romans 1:25-27 from The Message:

Refusing to know God they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretcheds. (emphasis mine)

All lust, no love? Commenting on Eugene Peterson’s altered meaning of this passage, Berit Kjos, the author of “What Kind of Message is The Message?,” notes:

This strange wording may leave loopholes for homosexuals that make “sex” seem permissible as long as it is viewed as an expression of “love,” not lust—which many gay couples claim today.8

As Tim Evans has ably demonstrated in On Being Gay, The Message serves as a potent weapon for those who deny that homosexuality is sin.

Before examining one final verse where the sin of homosexuality is deleted in The Message, let’s briefly look at a few other verses that have been changed. This is simply to demonstrate there are deletions, additions, and alterations throughout The Message.

For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. (Acts 20:27)

Remember, a generation has now been raised on this “Bible.” For many, it serves as a preferred or even primary text. Nationally known pastors like Rick Warren and Carl Lentz frequently teach from it.

So, just to get a sense of what Eugene Peterson has done, below are two psalms, a verse from Romans, a verse from John, and one from Colossians. We’ll compare The Message versions with those from the KJV.

First, Psalm 1:1:

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Now, The Message, Psalm 1:1:

How well God must like you—you don’t hang out at Sin Saloon, you don’t slink along Dead-End Road, you don’t go to Smart-Mouth College.

Eugene Peterson’s psalm evokes images of clowns pouring forth from a tiny car, running around in helter-skelter fashion, honking their hand held horns.

Sin-saloon! (Honk, honk) Dead-End Road! (Beep, beep) Smart Mouth-College! (Honk honk, Beep beep)

Several years ago during a radio interview, I read aloud Psalm 1:1 from The Message. The Christian talk radio host exclaimed, “That sounds like a cartoon!”

Let’s compare verses from another psalm. Here is Psalm 32:1-2, KJV:

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Now, Psalm 32:1-2 from The Message, Eugene Peterson’s “lucky” psalm:

Count yourself lucky, how happy you must be—you get a fresh start, your slate’s wiped clean. Count yourself lucky—God holds nothing against you and you’re holding nothing back from Him.

Eugene Peterson has taken away “blessed” and added “lucky,” thus changing the very meaning of the verse.

The Lord warns us:

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)

Green Hope?

Now, let’s see what has been done to Romans 15:13, The Message:

Oh! May the God of green hope fill you up with joy, fill you up with peace, so that your believing lives, filled with the life-giving energy of the Holy Spirit, will brim over with hope! (emphasis mine)

What God of “green” hope? Here is the same verse from the KJV:

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. (Romans 15:13)

Just as he did in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, where he deleted homosexuality and added “use and abuse the earth” as a sin, Eugene Peterson has inserted a potential God/nature reverence interpretation into Romans 15:13 that is not in any reputable translation of the Bible.

Should we care for the environment? Of course. Should we insert our man-made agendas into passages of Scripture? That is blasphemous.

Keep in mind that many brand new Christians are given The Message because of its readable, everyday language.

I and the Father are one heart and mind. (John 10:30, The Message, emphasis mine)

I and my Father are one. (John 10:30, KJV)

The Message version of John 10:30 changes understanding about Christ’s relationship to the Father. Eugene Peterson changed the very words of Christ.

The following verse is also bold on Peterson’s part, considering the Lord hates attempts to divine or foretell the future. Why the mention of a forbidden practice (along with telescope and microscope) as if it were a legitimate activity?

You don’t need a telescope, a microscope, or a horoscope to realize the fullness of Christ, and the emptiness of the universe without him. (Colossians 2:10, The Message)

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:10, KJV)

Why has Eugene Peterson done all this? The Message, bluntly stated, seems written to make Christians less knowledgeable about the Word of God. While that may seem a strong comment, please consider what Eugene Peterson himself said about the Bible:

Why do people spend so much time studying the Bible? How much do you need to know? We invest all this time in understanding the text, which has a separate life of its own, and we think we’re being more pious and spiritual when we do it. . . . [Christians] should be studying it less, not more. You just need enough to pay attention to God. . . . I’m just not pleased with all the emphasis on Bible study as if it’s some kind of special thing that Christians do, and the more they do the better.9 (emphasis mine)

In contrast, the Word of God encourages us:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)

The Lord commands us to neither add to nor delete from the Bible. We see this in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32, Proverbs 4:20-21, 30:5-6, 1 Corinthians 4:6, 2 Corinthians 4:2, and Revelation 22:19.

It is a mistake to consider Eugene Peterson as some kind of elder statesman of the faith. Not only has he spawned The Message, Peterson has also endorsed two heretical books: The Shack, and Rob Bell’s sly ode to universalism, Love Wins. The latter disputes whether the unsaved will really spend eternity in Hell.

Peterson has been praised and admired for so long that it may be difficult for some to accept that The Message is an offense to God. Yet, as Paul writes:

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. (1 Corinthians 4:6)

Let us heed Paul’s admonition, and not put “men above that which is written.” Not our pastors. Not Christian authors and musicians. And certainly not Eugene Peterson.

That being said, this deception is spiritual in origin as Scripture tells us:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

The Message’s Effect on the Church
Now, let’s return to the issue of homosexual sin. We are at the point where many in the church are wavering about homosexuality.

As with 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, homosexuality is again deleted in 1 Timothy 1:8-11. According to The Message:

It’s true that moral guidance and counsel need to be given, but the way you say it and to whom you say it are as important as what you say. It’s obvious, isn’t it, that the law code isn’t primarily for people who live responsibly, but for the irresponsible, who defy all authority, riding roughshod over God, life, sex, truth, whatever! They are contemptuous of this great Message I’ve been put in charge of by this great God.

Here is 1 Timothy 1:8-11 from the NASB:

But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. (emphasis mine)

The Message is weakening the church. Our long-term acceptance and use of The Message explains in part why many Christians are lukewarm on the issue of homosexuality. Society continues to undergo a paradigm shift. Christians are daily being exposed to a barrage of pro-homosexual propaganda via media, entertainment, politics, and education. Certainly, The Message is not the only factor—but place this “Bible” in a person’s hands, and it can have, over time, significant influence.

This booklet has not been written as a weapon against homosexuals. Far from it. My wife and I (and many others) have repented of this sin and trusted the Lord with our lives. True love is holding to what the Bible says about homosexuality, rather than glorifying the sin, which is what is happening in the culture.

I believe The Message will be increasingly used by on-the-fence churches, apostate churches, and by homosexual “Christian” activists.

The Bible says: “Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee” (Psalm 119:11).

But how can we understand God’s Truth when Truth is no longer there to be read?

Satan has always tried to twist or deny the truth of God’s Word (Genesis 3:1-5). Jesus Christ Himself showed us the importance of the Word of God. When the devil tempted Him in the wilderness, Christ fought the devil’s lies and temptation by answering with Scripture. Three times our Lord responded with “It is written” (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10).

Men like Tyndale and Wycliffe put their lives on the line so common people could have access to the unadulterated Word of God. Now, centuries later, there is relatively little objection when the Bible is altered, revamped, or tinkered with.

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. (Jeremiah 15:16)

If you have been using The Message, please don’t feel embarrassed or condemned. After all, The Message has been endorsed by numerous well-known Christians and has been with us for a long time now. People appreciate its everyday, accessible language. So this booklet may come as a bit of a shock.

We have primarily concentrated on the passages where homosexuality is deleted or given a politically correct spin. We have noted what seems suggestive of earth/nature reverence in two other passages, and we have also looked at two altered psalms; then we examined a verse from John and found that The Message offers a different understanding of the relationship between the Father and Christ. Eugene Peterson’s “horoscope” verse was also examined.

The fact is, there is so much wrong with The Message it would take a book (maybe two books) to cover it all. Some other “Scriptures” in The Message you might want to investigate by comparing them with the real thing are: Romans 8:35-37, Matthew 6:9-13, Ephesians 2:1-3, Galatians 5:19-21, and Romans 16:19-21. There are many others.

It is rather amazing how the earth reverence insertions and the altered or deleted passages about homosexual sin play into current political correctness. The Message is seemingly made for worldly churches. But I have often wondered if The Message is the precursor to a sinless, Christ-less “Bible” that will be used by the false church.

That “Bible” will have so-called sins included in it, but more along the lines of the 12 Steps—more generic in nature. A “Christ” figure will be included as well—but not the sinless Savior, our King of kings. Homosexuality will not be a sin but will be treated with reverence.

Christian use of The Message is not a good thing.

The Message is not a translation of the Bible. It is not a para-translation, as its publishers have so cleverly called it. Nor is it a paraphrase, because Eugene Peterson has omitted, and he has added.

The Message should not be used by the body of Christ at all.

To order copies of The Message “Bible”— A Breach of Truth
LINK TO ARTICLE: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?tag=carl-lentz

James White: Carl Lentz and The Message Bible

A New York Times columnist recently opined that “our debate about religious freedom should include a conversation about freeing religions and religious people from prejudices that they needn’t cling to and can indeed jettison, much as they’ve jettisoned other aspects of their faith’s history, rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity.”

Actually, this has already happened via The Message “Bible.” The Message flat out key New Testament passages and gives a politically correct spin to a third.

It is no coincidence that Pastor Carl Lentz of Hillsong NYC uses The Message so much. Hillsong seeks to please the world.

Above is Dr. James White’s YouTube piece on Hillsong’s Carl Lentz’s use of a non-existent phrase found only in The Message. Lentz emphasizes this made-up phrase to rationalize Hillsong.

You can also read more about Hillsong’s politically correct silence and the deletions, additions, and altered passages in The Message (1 Cor 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-11, Romans 1:25-27) in this short online booklet: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=16449

HELLSONG: They Will Not Endure Sound Doctrine
Justin Bieber's taking SHOTS with his Pastor Carl Lentz (Hillsong NYC)
Justin Bieber's Rapper Friend Post Malone Accuses Him of Being in a Religious Cult

EXCERPT: Justin Bieber's rapper friend Post Malone is accusing the Canadian pop star of donating $10 million to a cult as the singer has been spending a great deal of time with Christian pastor Carl Lentz of Hillsong NYC.

LINK TO ARTICLE: https://www.christianpost.com/news/justin-biebers-rapper-friend-pos...



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