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MY COMMENT: WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THE TORONTO CHURCH IN JANUARY, 1994, WAS ANOTHER JESUS, ANOTHER SPIRIT, ANOTHER GOSPEL. And it has affected the body of Christ worldwide for evil, not good. What your about to see, is totally against what the Holy Ghost does; and the fruits of the Spirit.


Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

A lot is said by Sarah and John Arnott about REVIVAL in the video above. The Word of God has something different to say, and it's not revival that we are seeing or going to see in these possibly the last days. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Click link above to read this excellent article on the Vineyard churches. Now this person belonged to the Vineyard, so this is first hand information. Once you arrive at the page, click on the different subject titles on the page.

Excerpt from In Plain Site:

The Association of Vineyard Churches was founded by John Wimber in 1982, and has to be one of the fastest growing church-planting movements in the world, considering their very small beginnings were a mere twenty five or so years ago.. The headquarters for the Association of Vineyard Churches is located in Stafford, TX. Each local congregation is autonomous and, according to their web site “there are more than 1,500 Vineyard churches worldwide, 550+ in the US, with 8 regions actively planting churches across the country. Vineyard worship songs, documented by Vineyard Music, have helped thousands of churches experience intimacy with God” [a]. They also boast a publishing house [b] and a music production company [c]. They say their team of church plant coordinators (CPCs), who are also local church pastors, identify, assess, train, deploy and coach church planters in every region of the country.” The function of their Church Planting Task Force “is to release healthy, fully functioning churches which in turn can plant healthy reproducing churches.” [d] All of which begs the question.. What are the Vineyard churches about? What doctrine do they espouse? What are their beliefs?

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More info on Toronto


This apologetics website is one that can be trusted and they cover every aspect of the Toronto Vineyard church and the "Toronto Blessing".



THE TORONTO DECEPTION by a Former Vineyard Pastor
23 10 2009
Truth Matters Newsletters – May 2007 – Vol. 12 Issue 5 – The Toronto Deception By a Former Toronto Vineyard Pastor


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New Wine Deception: Holy Trinity Church Leicester and Leicester City Vineyard Church
What Is New Wine And What Is Its History?

New Wine is a very dangerous movement of churches in the UK which was originally established in 1989 as a Christian festival under the leadership of Anglican vicar David Pytches of St. Andrew's Church in Chorleywood. The story of New Wine begins with false teacher/prophet, the late John Wimber, who had a considerable influence upon Pytches.

During the 1980s, Pytches hosted number of hyped up meetings at the Docklands Arena together with John Wimber and the Kansas City (false) Prophets (KCP) including Paul Cain and Mike Bickle. In 1990 Pytches wrote bestseller "Some Said It Thundered" which gave credence to the false teachings and bizarre manifestations associated with the KCP. St Andrew's Chorleywood also spawned false prophet/teacher Mark Stibbe, Pytches successor. Both Stibbe and Pytches were fervent supporters of the Toronto deception fronted by "Mr Bam" himself, Todd Bentley. Wimber, Pytches and the KCP were determined to have a "revival" one way or the other, but it soon became clear that they were false prophets, puffed up with their own delusional unbiblical ideas rather than the true wisdom that comes from God (1 Corinthians 1:25).


In February 1990, Paul Cain, falsely predicted a supernatural revival which would start in Britain and spread into Germany in October of that year. Mike Bickle claimed to have had five separate confirmations of this false prophecy, but it failed to materialise.

Paul Cain: “Thus saith the Lord: Revival will be released in England in October of 1990....."

John Wimber: "In February of 1990 at the 'Holiness' conference in Anaheim over 9,000 people from all over the world heard Paul Cain prophesy that revival would begin in England. He said, “The first shot [of revival] is going to be fired when John [Wimber] comes to England the next time.” He was referring to our scheduled October meetings."

These "prophets" even denied the clear teaching in God's Word and reinterpreted the demonic horde of locusts in Joel’s apocalyptic vision "prophetically" as Joel's Army i.e. themselves and their deluded followers. (Joel 2:4; Revelation 9:1-11)

"This army is also in the New Testament. It's referred to as the MANCHILD. I know some of you are going to disagree with this. Don't you even stop to disagree. Revelation 12:25...if you disagree, just file it in miscellaneous and check it out. And don't bother with it. When we get to heaven we'll check it out and you'll find out I'm right....." (Paul Cain, Joel's Army, Kansas City Fellowship Southside Meeting).


The only problem with not bothering to check out Paul Cain's insane rantings is that when we get to heaven it will be too late. Christians are warned to test the spirits here and now! (1 John 4:1) The male child in Revelation 12:25 is of course Jesus Christ!

The Docklands fiasco has left a terrible legacy and we are now witnessing an unprecidented progression of occult practices and manifestations in many churches, such as impartation, grave sucking, the glory cloud, birthing, the inner room experience, spiritual levels, the overcomers, Joshua generation, Joel's Army, Saul and David, Ishmael and Isaac, the Jezebel spirit, school of the prophets, tabernacle of David, city church and much more. These occult deceptions are taking over entire regions, both here in the UK and worldwide.

John Wimber's Apostate Legacy - The Apostolic Reformation (NAR)

These days New Wine is associated with a much wider apostate movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) also known as Dominionism, Third Wave, Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, Joel’s Army, Manifest Sons of God, Charismatic Renewal etc.

The NAR leaders claim falsely that God is restoring the offices of Prophet and Apostle as a model for church governance in the end times. Wimber held the delusional belief that he was a latter-day apostle to all the churches. In fact many of todays so called "prophets and apostles" hold celebrity status; they are completely delusional and are answerable to no one! Wimber's disciple C Peter Wagner claims apostolic authority for himself as the "Presiding Apostle" over an organisation called International Coalition of Apostles (ICA). He claims that he was "commissioned by God" as the "apostle" of the "second apostolic age." According to the false gospel of Wagner, “The second apostolic age began in the year 2001 when the lost offices of prophet and apostle were restored." Sounds very grand doesn't it! Others who claim the title of "apostle" for themselves are Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle (now leader of the spiritually corrupt International House of Prayer {IHOP}). Cindy Jacobs (Generals International), Bill Johnson (Bethel Church Redding), Che Ahn (HRock Church Pasadena) etc. ALL these apostates are proven false prophets, they do not qualify in any way to lead the true church; their prophecies are false, their teaching is aberant and in many cases their lifestyles are unbiblical, Paul Cain being the most blatant example. These modern day "apostles and prophets" claim a unique position of authority, even putting themselves above the original apostles of Jesus Christ. They say that God is giving them new revelations apart from the Bible while proclaiming that experience takes precedence over the teaching of Jesus Christ and the apostles.Their stated aim is for the church to literally take over society prior to the return of Christ in a similar manner to that of the Popes during the Dark Ages. This global church is to be led by an exclusive group of apostles and prophets, i.e. themselves! In fact the Bible teaches the polar opposite. Revelation 19:11-21 makes it clear that JESUS CHRIST (NOT THE CHURCH) will achieve dominion on the earth (Revelation 22:19).

The false prophets associated with New Wine and the NAR claim that prophecy is "conditional" in the New Testament i.e. there is provision for a margin of error in prophecy - this is their get out clause when their prophecies fail!!! However, the Bible does not make a distinction between Old and New Testament prophets or prophecy. The Bible calls false prophets presumptuous: But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:20, see also Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 17:12; 18:21-22; 1 Kings 18:40; Jeremiah 14:14; 23:30; 26:11; Zechariah 13:3). Jesus Christ warned that in the end times many false prophets will arise and lead many astray (Matthew 24:11). In fact the New Testament warns us repeatedly to be on our guard against spiritual deception: Matthew 7:15; 24:5; 24:24; 1 John 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1.

Additionally, the NAR promotes strategic-level spiritual warfare in contradiction to Daniel 10 and Jude 9 which assigns spiritual warfare against territorial spirits to Michael and the angels not to human beings.

These pretenders continue to infiltrate and deceive large portions of the church worldwide.

Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! (Ezekiel 13:13)

Let these false prophets tell their dreams, but let my true messengers faithfully proclaim my every word. There is a difference between straw and grain! (Jeremiah 23:28; 1 Corinthians 3:12)

Holy Trinity Church Leicester

Why would anyone with even the smallest amount of spiritual discernment be involved with New Wine when its roots and practices are so obviously bad (Matthew 7:17-18)? Nevertheless, the hirelings at Holy Trinity Church Leicester are backing New Wine to the hilt!

John McGinley, vicar of Holy Trinity Leicester is the Regional Director for the Midlands and East branch of New Wine. Inevitably therefore Holy Trinity Church is heavily involved with New Wine. In fact Holy Trinity are promoting New Wine Discipleship Year 2014-15 which is aimed at 18-24 year olds. "Discipleship Year is to equip, encourage and empower you with solid foundations for life as a follower of Jesus." I would point out that John McGinley's definition of "solid foundations" is not biblical! Holy Trinity are involved with a whole plethora of false teachings, including Sozo (Bill Johnson), Monasticism and 3DM (Mike Breen), Breathe (eastern mysticism), Ecumenism, Mission Shaped Communities (Mark Stibbe) and who knows what other doctrines of demons. In fact John McGinley seems determined to promote anything and everything apart from the teaching of Jesus Christ and his apostles (Acts 2:42)!

Leicester City Vineyard Church:

John Wimber's false teachings continue to deceive many people through the Vineyard Movement, a network of charismatic churches founded by Wimber in 1982. John Wimber is virtually idolised on the website of Leicester City Vineyard Church:

"It became clear that the church’s emphasis on the experience of the Holy Spirit was not shared by some leaders in the Calvary Chapel movement. In 1982, John’s church left Calvary Chapel and joined a small group of Vineyard churches. Vineyard was a name chosen by Kenn Gulliksen, a prolific church planter affiliated with Calvary Chapel, for a church he planted in Los Angeles in 1974. Pastors and leaders from the handful of Vineyard churches began looking to John for direction. And the Vineyard movement was born."

Wimber's split with Calvary Chapel involved an acrimonious dispute which focused on the authority of Scripture as it relates to the display of signs and wonders in the church. Wimber was actually forced to leave!

Vineyard's friendly coffee and doughnuts approach masks Wimber's dangerous unbiblical teachings.

ounder and lecturer for the Fuller Church Growth Institute. - See more at:
ounder and lecturer for the Fuller Church Growth Institute. - See more at: soft appeal via coffee doughnuts so i am told chocolates.... etc. with very little of the Word of God is extremely deceptive.
It should be noted that both Holy Trinity Church and Leicester City Vineyard Church are following an ecumenical agenda which fits in with Wimber's false beliefs i.e. a de-emphasization of doctrine for the sake of bringing all Christian denominations together under one tent. Both John McGinley of Holy Trinity and Steve Barber, the leader of Leicester City Vineyard Church attended ecumenical Churches Together Breakfast on 10th of May last year, said to be "inspired" by David Hind, the leader of Trinity Life Church. Beware of ecumenism!

More Background About John Wimber
One man, with little or no Biblical discernment, was almost single handedly responsible for the spread of one of the most dangerous movements in the church today... The Latter Rain. This small movement that began in Canada, eventually became the cornerstone for various offshoots, the most prominent of which are (or were) Joel’s Army, First-Fruits, Identity, Manifest Sons of God, Restoration, Reconstruction, Kingdom Message, Elijah Company, Overcomers, etc.
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John Wimber (1934-1997) built what is known as "power evangelism" on the teachings of theologian George Eldon Ladd which led him to the opinion that miracles such as healings, words of knowledge and speaking in tongues play an essential role in bringing people to faith in Christ. Wimber: "I felt that God wanted me to concentrate on the relationship of supernatural signs and wonders to church growth during the decade." I personally do believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and I am not writing this post from a cessationist point of view. I believe the problem with Wimber's theology is that it over emphasises the miraculous at the expense of the Gospel. In other words, Wimber subverted the biblical teaching that faith comes by hearing (Romans 10:17) and replaced it with the diametric opposite, pragmatism - if it works I will accept it and believe it. The great commission is very simple: Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation (Mark 16:15). Paul tells us that the gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes (Romans 1:16). Wimber ventured into excessive experientialism and a dangerous mixture of truth and error which he later distanced himself from. The Bible tells us that an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign (Matthew 12:39; 16:4; Luke 11:29). Wimber's mantra: "God is bigger than his written Word." This arrogant statement is an outright denial of the sufficiency of the scriptures which are divinely inspired and give us EVERYTHING needed to live the Christian life. Christians are specifically warned not to go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6):

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (1 Timothy 3:16-17)

Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. (Psalm 119:89)

Jesus Christ IS the WORD!!!!

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)


Founding Pastor of Vineyard Movement Killed in ATV Incident
2:00PM EDT 8/11/2015 Mark Ellis/Assist News

PIC FROM ARTICLE: John and Margie McClure. John passed away after an ATV accident. (Courtesy/Assist News Service)

One of the founding pastors of the Vineyard movement, John C. McClure, passed into the loving arms of his Savior Friday night due to complications of an ATV accident he suffered last month. He was 70 years old.

McClure lost control of the ATV July 19 during an outing with his brothers and cousin in the mountains near Pagosa Springs, Colorado. He hit a tree, which resulted in fractures to his head, all his ribs on one side, and a small break in his lower spinal column.

After the accident he was airlifted to a hospital in New Mexico and was able to take his first steps a week after the tragic incident, prior to his return to Orange County, California.

Only a week ago, doctors reported he was recovering well, according to his son-in-law, Mark Ostgaard. But on Friday night he complained of weakness and difficulty breathing and was taken to Hoag Hospital Irvine in the early hours of August 8, where he was pronounced dead.

"It came as an absolute shock," Ostgaard says. "Before the accident he was strong, healthy and vibrant."

Through his close association and friendship with John Wimber, the founder of the Vineyard movement, both men started churches in their homes that grew into thriving churches. With McClure at the helm of the Newport Beach Vineyard, the church grew to about 2,500 active members.

"He lived his life for the glory of God," says Dr. George Wood. "He was a good friend a lover of Jesus," Wood says.

Remarkably, McClure heard a call to ministry even before he became a follower of Jesus at age 10. In the early '60s he led Navigator Bible studies on campus at Cal Poly Pomona.

He also led the College Department at Lake Avenue Congregational Church in Pasadena, serving on the staff under Pastor Ray Ortlund, who became his father-in-law after his marriage to Margie Ortlund.

In 1963 he experienced an "outpouring of the Spirit" at a Navigator conference in Glen Erie, Colorado. Peter Wagner introduced him to John Wimber in 1973, and Wimber invited him to become his assistant at Fuller Evangelistic Association.

McClure became a founding member of the Board of the Association of Vineyard Churches.

"Our Lord's gracious signs, wonders, healings and miracles that followed almost daily thereafter are well documented in several books—everything from the blind receiving their sight, to demons being cast out, to the dead literally being raised in Jesus' Name," McClure recounted in an online biography about this stirring season in his life.

Until Wimber passed away in 1997, they traveled worldwide, addressing thousands in training conferences, with teaching about healing, power evangelism, signs and wonders, spiritual warfare, the gifts of the Spirit, worship, prayer, and church growth.

They also started The Word and the Spirit weekday radio broadcast in 1995, which continued through 2002.

While he lived for the glory of God, he shared some of the highs, lows, pain and disappointment of some of the greatest men of Scripture. In July 2009 he had open-heart surgery, the same year Margie was found to have cancer and endured a year of treatments.

"God was with us and also gave us miracles, extending both our lives," he noted later.


Toronto Blessing 20th Anniversary with Stacey Campbell

MY NOTE: What Vineyard does is not scriptural and especially what Stacey Campbell does as she gives a false prophecy. How do I know she is false? She prophesied over Todd Bentley who was committing adultery and if these so called prophets were real, they would have discerned this man was living in sin.

NOTE from Bev Humphrey: Bronwen McCoy, Glorianne Chute Schott, It's like I mentioned, the Toronto blessing has morphed into the NAR apostasy. It's all the same and worse. Wimber was very much involved along with Rodney Howard Brown, the Holy Ghost bartender yada yada. I caution any church, any denomination, any non denomination may have a spot on statement of faith or core values but and then, what are they teaching/preaching? What is going on in their meetings? I can tell you from experience they didn't allow what they call the Holy Spirit to move on a Sunday service like they would let "it" loose in the prayer room, or revival services, prophetic confernces, home groups etc. Beware! Deception is everywhere. I would never recommend anyone to attend a Vineyard church, ever.



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